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  • #77
    Re: Spice and Wolf (Seasons 1 & 2)

    Originally posted by EyeOfPain View Post
    But these aren't "major" BD releases. These are releases from a company in a niche segment of the entertainment industry doing what they believe necessary to net a profit. If you don't like it, no one's forcing you to buy their product. Maybe FUNi will start re-releasing some of these combo packs in BD cases sometime next year.
    I don't buy theirs usually. If I do its for translation, so I wait for the cheapest release.
    Best not to have any illusions of quality, then if a release is high standard, its a pleasant surprise.

    To the forum "technomages", could uprated releases like S & W be accommodated on "Superbit" DVDs? Are the releases on Blu Ray media therefore just a sales gimmick, if so?

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    • #79
      Re: Spice and Wolf (Seasons 1 & 2)

      Originally posted by Njr Resurrection View Post

      To the forum "technomages", could uprated releases like S & W be accommodated on "Superbit" DVDs? Are the releases on Blu Ray media therefore just a sales gimmick, if so?
      You mean PQ-wise? In some cases, probably, but you're still limited to SD resolution and MPEG2 compression, with all its inherent flaws. And no, not all BD re-releases are sales gimmicks as evident with a few of FUNi's releases, including imo, the BD for S&W S1, FMP/Fumoffu!, Samurai Champloo re-release, which do look better than their DVD counterparts.

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      • #80
        Re: Spice and Wolf (Seasons 1 & 2)

        Has anyone else tried these discs yet? My discs are totally ruined and I'll be asking for a new copy. The dub on both the DVD and Blu-Ray comes out MONO and the JP track sounds tinny. Has anyone else run into this yet?
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        • #81
          Re: Spice and Wolf (Seasons 1 & 2)

          Originally posted by bluesilo View Post
          Has anyone else tried these discs yet? My discs are totally ruined and I'll be asking for a new copy. The dub on both the DVD and Blu-Ray comes out MONO and the JP track sounds tinny. Has anyone else run into this yet?
          I'll do a play test on mine later today.

          Are you playing all of the discs on the same player? And what type of player(s) are you using?
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          • #82
            Re: Spice and Wolf (Seasons 1 & 2)

            Originally posted by Njr Resurrection View Post
            To the forum "technomages", could uprated releases like S & W be accommodated on "Superbit" DVDs? Are the releases on Blu Ray media therefore just a sales gimmick, if so?
            Not sure if I count as a technomage or not: I think only Charlie Sheen can legally designate himself a warlock at any given point in time.

            Still, the answer is... it can, but doesn't always.

            Upscaled SD content can take advantage of the higher bitrates of Blu-ray, which mean less filtering and compression artifacts than you'd get on even an ideal DVD. Also, lossless 5.1 audio which is physically impossible on DVD. FUNimation's upscale of RIN ~ The Daughters of Mnemosyne is, by and large, a great example of how an upscaled Blu-ray can look and sound better than even a great DVD, and the upscale for the Diebuster movie was so good virtually nobody seems to have noticed that the OVA footage was, indeed, produced at SD resolution.

            What tends to complicate things is that some SD upscales use filtering to sharpen edges or remove noise, which can fundamentally change the 'look' of the show and only make matters worse than if they'd left matters alone. FUNimation also has a nasty habit of applying grain removal filters, which strips away a layer of digital distortion the animators themselves were adding intentionally. FUNi upscale quality is all over the place, with some looking great, and others having even less detail than their DVD counterparts.

            "Superbit", however, was a total load of BS. It was basically just a clever way of explaining why some early releases looked like shite that didn't involve admitting "Yeah, we screwed the pooch. Sorry!"

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            • #83
              Re: Spice and Wolf (Seasons 1 & 2)

              Originally posted by bluesilo View Post
              Has anyone else tried these discs yet? My discs are totally ruined and I'll be asking for a new copy. The dub on both the DVD and Blu-Ray comes out MONO and the JP track sounds tinny. Has anyone else run into this yet?
              I haven't noticed it being Mono, but I have noticed the dub on the S2 BD being extremely, extremely quiet...so much that I have to turn my volume up to it's absolute maximum, and it's still quieter than I'd like.
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              • #84
                Re: Spice and Wolf (Seasons 1 & 2)

                I spot checked my Blu-ray season 1, disk 1, episodes 1 & 6, English dub. The sound was 5.1. I forgot to check the Japanese track.
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                • #85
                  Re: Spice and Wolf (Seasons 1 & 2)

                  Originally posted by bluesilo View Post
                  Has anyone else tried these discs yet? My discs are totally ruined and I'll be asking for a new copy. The dub on both the DVD and Blu-Ray comes out MONO and the JP track sounds tinny. Has anyone else run into this yet?
                  I did an audio check (S2) and the results were interesting. Looking at the phase analysis and listening to it in realtime, the dialogue part of the dub audio is indeed in mono. However, other parts (op/ed, bgm, backing/fx tracks) seem to be in stereo (possibly dual-mono).

                  The problem is the mix. While some parts are in stereo, the dialogue ruins the stereo separation by attenuating the rest of the soundtrack because it runs a bit hot. In other words, the dialogue's volume level is louder than the rest of the audio track, so that means all the nuances and miscellaneous sounds beside the spoken dialogue is drowned out (not surprising since they're likely only using 2.0 sources). Because they've encoded this as a 5.1 track, everything is now focused onto the Center Channel. This means any channel separation will be slightly, if not barely audible once downmixed to the center. I'd chalk this up as a mono release.

                  As far as the JP audio track goes- as suspected, it runs an average of 7-10dB below the dub track. The thin sound is partially due to a lack of bass management/equalization and the volume level being below normal. Though the phase analysis shows stereo separation compared to the dub and has better dynamics even with the lower volume.

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                  • #86
                    Re: Spice and Wolf (Seasons 1 & 2)

                    Originally posted by einhorn303 View Post
                    Originally posted by bluesilo View Post
                    Has anyone else tried these discs yet? My discs are totally ruined and I'll be asking for a new copy. The dub on both the DVD and Blu-Ray comes out MONO and the JP track sounds tinny. Has anyone else run into this yet?
                    I haven't noticed it being Mono, but I have noticed the dub on the S2 BD being extremely, extremely quiet...so much that I have to turn my volume up to it's absolute maximum, and it's still quieter than I'd like.
                    I didn't notice any problems with the audio on either version (DVD and Blu-ray). Then again I don't have a sound receiver (just the TV speakers), so I usually don't notice most of these audio problems.
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                    • #87
                      Re: Spice and Wolf (Seasons 1 & 2)

                      Originally posted by Sensuifu View Post
                      Originally posted by bluesilo View Post
                      Has anyone else tried these discs yet? My discs are totally ruined and I'll be asking for a new copy. The dub on both the DVD and Blu-Ray comes out MONO and the JP track sounds tinny. Has anyone else run into this yet?
                      I did an audio check (S2) and the results were interesting. Looking at the phase analysis and listening to it in realtime, the dialogue part of the dub audio is indeed in mono. However, other parts (op/ed, bgm, backing/fx tracks) seem to be in stereo (possibly dual-mono).

                      The problem is the mix. While some parts are in stereo, the dialogue ruins the stereo separation by attenuating the rest of the soundtrack because it runs a bit hot. In other words, the dialogue's volume level is louder than the rest of the audio track, so that means all the nuances and miscellaneous sounds beside the spoken dialogue is drowned out (not surprising since they're likely only using 2.0 sources). Because they've encoded this as a 5.1 track, everything is now focused onto the Center Channel. This means any channel separation will be slightly, if not barely audible once downmixed to the center. I'd chalk this up as a mono release.

                      As far as the JP audio track goes- as suspected, it runs an average of 7-10dB below the dub track. The thin sound is partially due to a lack of bass management/equalization and the volume level being below normal. Though the phase analysis shows stereo separation compared to the dub and has better dynamics even with the lower volume.
                      This is what I was talking about. I'm glad you were able to hear the problems in your test of the release. My system includes an Onkyo Receiver and PS3. I wonder if they will issue a recall or just ignore the problem, but there is definitely a problem here.
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                      • #88
                        Re: Spice and Wolf (Seasons 1 & 2)

                        Between the audio issues, the fact that it appears FUNi didn't bother to get HD sources for Season 1, and the fact that the packaging for Season 2 is DVD-sized when I held out for Season 1 on Blu-ray to avoid the double-dip this release has gone from my #2 desired release this year (Shana II was #1 - You see how much my desires are being fulfilled ) to debating cancelling my Amazon order.

                        Is the general consensus on the forum that I should skip this in favor of the Japanese releases/not owning this series at all or should I overlook these problems and get it anyway? I don't feel like spending money that, in my admittedly narrow view, will only encourage FUNimation to continue producing crappy products but at the same time I don't feel like forking out the premium dough for the Japanese release or going without this show in any form.

                        What is you all's honest opinion overall? I'm on the fence still and need some convincing one way or the other... Thanks in advance!

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                        • #89
                          Re: Spice and Wolf (Seasons 1 & 2)

                          Originally posted by PosterAnonymous View Post
                          Is the general consensus on the forum that I should skip this in favor of the Japanese releases/not owning this series at all or should I overlook these problems and get it anyway? I don't feel like spending money that, in my admittedly narrow view, will only encourage FUNimation to continue producing crappy products but at the same time I don't feel like forking out the premium dough for the Japanese release or going without this show in any form.
                          That is a decision that depends entirely on how you feel about paying several times the price and the lack of a dub or subs. I bought the JP releases for both seasons long before Funi licensed it, and have no regrets. If I did have regrets, the issues with both seasons certainly wouldn't be pushing me toward's Funi's release.

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                          • #90
                            Re: Spice and Wolf (Seasons 1 & 2)

                            Originally posted by bluesilo View Post
                            Originally posted by Sensuifu View Post
                            Originally posted by bluesilo View Post
                            Has anyone else tried these discs yet? My discs are totally ruined and I'll be asking for a new copy. The dub on both the DVD and Blu-Ray comes out MONO and the JP track sounds tinny. Has anyone else run into this yet?
                            I did an audio check (S2) and the results were interesting. Looking at the phase analysis and listening to it in realtime, the dialogue part of the dub audio is indeed in mono. However, other parts (op/ed, bgm, backing/fx tracks) seem to be in stereo (possibly dual-mono).

                            The problem is the mix. While some parts are in stereo, the dialogue ruins the stereo separation by attenuating the rest of the soundtrack because it runs a bit hot. In other words, the dialogue's volume level is louder than the rest of the audio track, so that means all the nuances and miscellaneous sounds beside the spoken dialogue is drowned out (not surprising since they're likely only using 2.0 sources). Because they've encoded this as a 5.1 track, everything is now focused onto the Center Channel. This means any channel separation will be slightly, if not barely audible once downmixed to the center. I'd chalk this up as a mono release.

                            As far as the JP audio track goes- as suspected, it runs an average of 7-10dB below the dub track. The thin sound is partially due to a lack of bass management/equalization and the volume level being below normal. Though the phase analysis shows stereo separation compared to the dub and has better dynamics even with the lower volume.
                            This is what I was talking about. I'm glad you were able to hear the problems in your test of the release. My system includes an Onkyo Receiver and PS3. I wonder if they will issue a recall or just ignore the problem, but there is definitely a problem here.
                            I'm not sure they'll do anything to correct it (or re-release S1 using the HD source). There's a vast majority of people who will not/can't notice the problems we're discussing, either because of their setups, or just being unaware this issue exists. Being that the show is heavily dialog-driven, there's very little action in the surround channels and only a few people will spot these anomalies.

                            It doesn't help that this pseudo-5.1 track is nothing other than a poor attempt of remixing a 2.0 source into surround, which evidently makes it sound worse than having just stereo. Even though the main dialog should be driven to the center, they messed up by leaving it in mono, collapsing all the stereo-mix into it, thus rendering everything to sound flat on output. Whether they find it worth to fix..who knows.

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